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  Proselytizing emails, anyone?

  by doogie in

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  i just wanted to share an experience i've been having for the past couple of days.

  someone has been emailing me i think to "save" my eternal soul.

  i think its a witness.

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  The rock

  Sometimes The New world translation does not sound like proper English I have noticed this a few times.
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  Proselytizing emails, anyone?

  by doogie in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i just wanted to share an experience i've been having for the past couple of days.

  someone has been emailing me i think to "save" my eternal soul.

  i think its a witness.

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  Hello,

  There is a few Witnesses who proselytise on a christianity board under the topic discussing faith. The use the cd rom a few times but never acknowledge they do. When asked aboutit they say they have permission to do thos even though they do not include copywrite. I find this strange as when anyone here does it they always put copywrite.

  Here is one example many times this is done. This time mostly the N. W T is used. So the witnesses do go on message - boards trying to convert christians.

  God Bless xx

  >>Will aperson who has never heard of God go to Heaven? The Bible says that those who are born again will enter the Kingdom of Heaven and will rule as Kings and priests over the earth.
  However the Bible also holds out the hope of resurrection to eternal life onto a paradise earth for the vast majority of those who have died.
  
  Matthew 6:10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth
  
  Ephesians 1:9- It is according to his good pleasure which he purposed in himself 10 for an administration at the full limit of the appointed times, namely, to gather all things together again in the Christ, the things in the heavens and the things on the earth.
  
  Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens.
  
  2 Peter 3:13
  13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
  
  Proverbs 2:20-22
  20 The purpose is that you may walk in the way of good people and that the paths of the righteous ones you may keep. 21 For the upright are the ones that will reside in the earth, and the blameless are the ones that will be left over in it. 22 As regards the wicked, they will be cut off from the very earth; and as for the treacherous, they will be torn away from it.
  
  Matthew 6:9-11
  "'Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. 10 Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth. 11
  
  Matthew 28:18
  "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.
  
  Ephesians 6:1-4
  6 Children, be obedient to YOUR parents in union with [the] Lord, for this is righteous: 2 "Honor your father and [your] mother"; which is the first command with a promise: 3 "That it may go well with you and you may endure a long time on the earth." 4 And YOU, fathers, do not be irritating YOUR children, but go on bringing them up in the discipline and mental-regulating of Jehovah
  
  Philippians 2:9-11
  9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name, 10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground, 11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
  
  Colossians 1:19-20
  19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens.
  
  2 Peter 3:13
  13 But there are new heavens and a new earth that we are awaiting according to his promise, and in these righteousness is to dwell.
  
  
  Revelation 21:1-4
  21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth had passed away, and the sea is no more. 2 I saw also the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God and prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away
  
  
  Deuteronomy 30:18-20
  . 19 I do take the heavens and the earth as witnesses against YOU today, that I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive, you and your offspring, 20 by loving Jehovah your God, by listening to his voice and by sticking to him; for he is your life and the length of your days, that you may dwell upon the ground that Jehovah swore to your forefathers Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to give to them."
  Revelation 5:10
  10 and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth."
  1 Peter 2:9
  9 But YOU are "a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for special possession, that YOU should declare abroad the excellencies" of the one that called YOU out of darkness into his wonderful light.
  Matthew 24:24-25
  24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will give great signs and wonders so as to mislead, if possible, even the chosen ones. 25
  Mark 13:27
  27 And then he will send forth the angels and will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from earth's extremity to heaven's extremity.
  
  Colossians 3:12
  12 Accordingly, as God's chosen ones, holy and loved, clothe yourselves with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering
  
  Hebrews 3:1
  3 Consequently, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest whom we confess-Jesus.
  1 Corinthians 15:48-49
  48 As the one made of dust [is], so those made of dust [are] also; and as the heavenly one [is], so those who are heavenly [are] also. 49 And just as we have borne the image of the one made of dust, we shall bear also the image of the heavenly one. Hebrews 6:4-5
  4 For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, 5 and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things2 Peter 1:10-11
  10 For this reason, brothers, all the more do YOUR utmost to make the calling and choosing of YOU sure for yourselves; for if YOU keep on doing these things YOU will by no means ever fail.
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  Pro-j.w. site. Good place to learn "The Truth"?

  by hubert in

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  while searching the web, i happened across a site, and discovered it is a pro-j.w.

  message board.

  as i read some of the posts, i realized that there were a lot of "apostate" posts in here.

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  Hello,

  There is a discussion room called christianity click on it and then click onto discussing faith there is a number of Jehovah witnesses and ex jehovah witnesses also christians as well as muslims and new age folks I will try and post the link its on aol. Wait a sec please.

  KdmKnight/ Jehovah W.

  This is one particuliar thread both of them I think are ex witnesses though one seems a christian now. The other still seems to have their teachings in his head. There are also a few others Jw's that are on and off. And one particuliar character who is called bible truth who says they are not a witness but study with them and absolutely loves them and thinks there is no- one like them.

  Its quite interesting if anyone can ascess it.Those witnesses to the witnesses usually get a flea in their ear.

  Take care everyone xxx
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  How can an 'impersonal force' feel hurt?? (Isa 63: 10 NWT)

  by Tyre in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  but they themselves rebelled and made his holy spirit feel hurt.

  he now was changed into an enemy of theirs; he himself warred against them.

  *how can an 'impersonal force' feel hurt??

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  The rock

  Hello,

  The Holy Spirit does a lot of things. He even speaks. I am a Christian who Witnesses to J. w..

  I have a watchtower cd if there is a quote u want to know. Just say and I will try and look it up. You can buy them of e-bay.

  One of my first experiences with religious bigotry was over the issue of "Shekina Glory". The word "Shekina" [as such] does not appear in any known (canonized) text, yet was (is) used and understood these last few thousand years by all Jews to mean the Holy Presence of God Which filled the Sanctuary; especially the Holy of Holies from between the cerubs atop the Mercy-Seat lid of the Ark of the Covenant. (For further info, see Strong's Hebrew #7931-5 {"shakan-yah"}; also, for Biblical use, as in Ps 68:18 {above} "dwell"[among them=Hebrew="shakan")

  But the real issue was that I believed, held and knew from experience that the Holy Spirit Is a Real Presence and can (and does) Prove His Reality by direct Communication with a believer! [This threatens man's "order-of-worship-religion"]

  It was this "idea" of "direct communication" which perturbed (infuriated!) one of my Bible College Professors. He was convinced that ALL Inspirational Revelation from God is Complete [CLOSED!] in the Bible, and that, (although God used to "speak" directly to man), God had said all He was going to say in Christ & the Bible! [It was almost as though he felt that -having "LOCKED" the Cannon- God HAD NO RIGHT {now} to continue Direct-Revelation to ANYONE. Such, after all, was the "touch-stone" of ALL "error", in his opinion. And, if any such "Diect-Revelation" should contraDict the Cannon - I would have to agree with him!]

  Any further "communications" from God were heretical, cultic, dangerous, diabolical - possibly even Satanic! They were certainly not to be tolerated; but were, rather, to be squelched! (I might add here that the man's spirit and manner was anything other-than humble, charitable, kind, loving or even genuine!). Typical. What did I learn from this "professor"?; "THAT's not "it"!!! Even the demons and the devil himself spout [or spit] scripture... but that doesn't mean THAT's "Scripture"!

  But let's see what Jesus says in Jn 16:12-15 "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now (you're not strong enough ..yet!). Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth (which will Free & Strengthen you with Power!): for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that s*h*a*l*l h*e s*p*e*a*k: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, a*n*d s*h*a*l*l s*h*e*w it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you."

  Now the way people get around this today is to assert that Jesus wasn't talking to you & me here [your 1st "clue" to be WARY!]; that is, he was referring to the disciples (or maybe just the Apostles!) ...ONLY! This was to be a one-shot deal, never-to-be- repeated! [Hogwash! As I was Saved by Jesus Christ {not another man}, I think I should Listen to HIM - don't you?]

  Well, I don't know about you and your relationship with Jesus Christ, but that "man's-conjecture" just doesn't "square" with the Reality Who Lives in me! The Jesus Christ *I* Know has a Real Agenda, and Expects me to be ON IT! AND He Knows my "address"... and just how to "get to me"! Nor is He shy about Letting me Know His Intentions where my Abiding is concerned!

  My relationship with the Holy Spirit is Real! I talk to Him & He Answers me all the time, every day, on an on-going basis - continuously! Mostly, He teaches me about the Scriptures, and shows me how God Sees me (both good AND bad!). I love Him. And I know He Loves me, although I simply cannot account for why! Jesus said over & over again we'd have to have "ears" and "eyes" to hear & see with. But He also said His "sheep" would "hear" His Voice! [But when we won't Obey what we've heard... why should God Speak? That's why I say, "want more God?... *DO* the God you've GOT!"]

  Check this out...: 1 Cor 2:13-15 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing (interpreting, as fitting meaning to words - or "rightly-dividing") spiritual things with {by} spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that IS SPIRITUAL judgeth ("spiritually discerns", as above) all things, yet he himself is judged ("discerned", or seen) of no man (remains "hid-in-Christ"!)." [What is NOT "of-{from}-Faith"... is *SIN* {of/from-your-flesh!}]

  Jn 3:6 (Jesus) "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that {Faith} which is born of the Spirit is spirit." If we have been Born of the Spirit of God, then Jesus says WE are Spirit! [Providing we "Walk", "Work", "Continue" and "Endure" & "Abide"!]

  Gal 5:25 "If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit." And if WALK, then TALK! Or what's all this God has said about a Relationship with Him? And if walk & talk, then LEARN! And if learn, then BECOME & REMAIN or "Abide" IN-CHRIST! [But we CAN begin in-Spirit {Born}, and END in the flesh {Die!}]

  But does it really work? There's only one way to find out, and it doesn't include idle speculation or carnal analysis: TRY IT! [Jesus Said "ASK, SEEK, KNOCK" & "DENY-SELF-DAILY" to "FOLLOW" Him]

  Either He's Real or He's Phoney (with a capital "PH"!). The best question is, "what have I got to lose?"! The Holy Spirit is Real! He's Alive! And He can actually Talk! Yessireee, He can Speak for Himself, but He *always* Speaks for Jesus Christ! He never contradicts His Written Word, but, BOY!, does He ever explain it!

  I'm convinced Scripture is only God-Breathed IN PERSON! In other words, until Scripture has been God-Breathed into your spirit {Directly} by God's Holy Spirit ...it isn't Inspired {to you}! So... "Inspired" doesn't refer to the one who God used to write His words {only}: "Inspired" means Creator-->creature: DIRECT! {"Divine-Telemetry" -or- "Automatic-Pilot-Homing-Transmission"}

  That means YOU! That's what Paul's talking about above! Read it again! {"Take another think!"} That's what Jesus kept Talking about! That's why God put His Holy Spirit inside you [see Ezk 36:72]: to guide and teach and mold and change and walk and talk and Love you FROM WITHIN YOU! That's what "Made In His Image" ...MEANS!

  Don't you remember, in Lk 17:21 Jesus said, "... for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." And again in Mat 6:21 "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also". [What you want you choose - what you choose you become - & remain!; "sow/reap"?]

  Having been "born again" of the Holy Spirit of the Living God and "Made" (Adopted as) "sons of God"; having been "Sealed" by the "Gift of the Spirit"; do we have this "Pearl of Great Price" (HIDDEN TREASURE!) within us "going to waste" (as it were) for lack of acknowledgment (unbelief) on our part? ["In earthen vessels"]

  Should we neglect such a "great Salvation" [Heb 2"3] by indifference? If the Holy Spirit "Speaks" and "Shows" us (within), as Jesus said, should we not "talk", "listen", "watch for" and "learn" from Him? {As we Share His Written-Word Adventures WITH Him - AS OUR GUIDE?}

  And (if we're in doubt) can we not trust the Lord enough to obey His Commands to "come unto Him", "Ask, Seek & Knock"? When was the last time you actually asked God a real question (from the heart!), -->and genuinely expected Him to Answer you - AS HE PROMISED HE WOULD? The Holy Spirit SPEAKS!

  Lots of love take care
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  J.w at my door

  by The rock in

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  one day a lady came to my door she did not say she was a jehovah witness and she was all on her own.. she seemed very nice and started talking about having accurate knowledge and such like.

  i didn't have my bible at the moment.

  i said to her yes but the verse below that says that this knowledge is found in jesus i asked her what immanuel meant and she looked at me very strangly as if i had two heads.

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  Hi 1914

  I wish I was so lucky as to not having them come back. Please tell me about it. It could help someone else not to join. Thank you Lots of love Take care
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  J.w at my door

  by The rock in

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  one day a lady came to my door she did not say she was a jehovah witness and she was all on her own.. she seemed very nice and started talking about having accurate knowledge and such like.

  i didn't have my bible at the moment.

  i said to her yes but the verse below that says that this knowledge is found in jesus i asked her what immanuel meant and she looked at me very strangly as if i had two heads.

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  Hi Emperor class,

  Thank you for giving me their views. I will think it over and reply in a more detailed way.

  Lots off love

  Take care

  Perhaps she was trying to allude to their witnessing work. They feel it's the most important work being done on earth right now, and that people are aligning themselves for or against God's Kingdom by their response to Jehovah's Witnesses.

  Certainly she knows that "good works" alone do not distinguish true Christians, but according to the Bible faith does. Yet JW's use proof texts to show you need a combo-platter of "faith" AND "works" in order to please God.

  So since faith isn't enough, perhaps that's why she talked about good works. Because JW's sometimes use that idea of "good works" to try to differentiate themselves from other religions, some get the impression that they're trying to work their way to salvation. But while that's not the official view point of JW's, they do teach that without good works one cannot be saved.

  However JW's do not tend to orphans, build hospitals, or do other traditional charitable works. So by "good works" they do not mean that. They view such as hollow when compared to their all important ministry for salvation.

  Their way of helping you is by giving you literature or offering Bible studies. If you have other problems, and you're not one of them, they will not "waste" time helping you unless you display a tremendous "interest" in their message.
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  J.w at my door

  by The rock in

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  one day a lady came to my door she did not say she was a jehovah witness and she was all on her own.. she seemed very nice and started talking about having accurate knowledge and such like.

  i didn't have my bible at the moment.

  i said to her yes but the verse below that says that this knowledge is found in jesus i asked her what immanuel meant and she looked at me very strangly as if i had two heads.

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  Hi Sally,

  Most of them don't make their return visits! Would that made a good Witness then to promise to return and not do so. ? Lots of love Take care
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  J.w at my door

  by The rock in

  1. jw
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  one day a lady came to my door she did not say she was a jehovah witness and she was all on her own.. she seemed very nice and started talking about having accurate knowledge and such like.

  i didn't have my bible at the moment.

  i said to her yes but the verse below that says that this knowledge is found in jesus i asked her what immanuel meant and she looked at me very strangly as if i had two heads.

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  Hi Jedi, Thank's Rock ,i have never seen this befora and i did not know Jesus real name . Maybe you should send this to the Watchtower so ,they could say " LOOK WE HAVE NEW LIGHT ON JESUS NAME"

  I doubt if they would listen to me. I seem to be a thorn in their side. One Jw told me I had an unhealthy obession about there faith lol. However they joined them not me. So I wonder what that makes them lol.

  Matthew does gives us also hints about Jesus name the following verse is taken from Matthew 1v 21 And she will bring forth a Son and you shall call His name Jesus for He will save His people from their sins.

  Footnote in my bible says The name Jesus means '' Yahwah Is Salvation.''

  Another name '' Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,'' which is translated,'' God with us.''

  in Matthew 21v 9 ''Hosanne to the Son of David!

  Hosanne means '' Save now''

  lots off love

  Take care
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  J.w at my door

  by The rock in

  1. jw
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  one day a lady came to my door she did not say she was a jehovah witness and she was all on her own.. she seemed very nice and started talking about having accurate knowledge and such like.

  i didn't have my bible at the moment.

  i said to her yes but the verse below that says that this knowledge is found in jesus i asked her what immanuel meant and she looked at me very strangly as if i had two heads.

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  Hello.

  Jesus is translated correctly though. This is from the Jewish roots off faith website.

  Messianic Ministry sharing Yeshua the Jewish Messiah in Central Pennsylvania The Messianic Hebrew-Christian Fellowship Inc.

  YESHUA IN THE TENACH The name JESUS in the Old Testament
  by Arthur E. Glass

  In speaking with my Jewish brethren for the past many years in Canada, the United States, Argentina, and Uruguay, I had one great difficulty and it was this: my Jewish people would always fling at me this challenging question: "If Jesus is our Messiah and the whole Old Testament is about Him, how come His name is never mentioned in it even once?"
  
  I could never answer it satisfactorily to their way of thinking, and I admit I often wondered why His name was not actually written in the Old Bible. O yes, I could show them His divine titles in Isaiah 7:14; 9:6; Jeremiah 28:5,6, etc., and even the word MESSIAH (Christ) in several places; but the Hebrew name that would be equal to Jesus, that I could not show-until one day the Holy Spirit opened my eyes, and I just shouted. There was the very NAME Jesus found in the Old Testament about 100 times all the way from GENESIS to HABAKKUK! Yes, the very word-the very NAME that the angel Gabriel used in Luke 1:31 when he told Mary about the Son she was to have.
  
  "Where do we find that NAME?" you ask. Here it is, beloved: Every time the Old Testament uses the word SALVATION (especially with the Hebrew suffix meaning "my", "thy," or "his"), with very few exceptions (when the word is impersonal), it is the very identical and absolutely same word YESHUA (Jesus) used in Matthew 1:21. Let us remember that the angel who spoke to Mary and the angel who spoke to Joseph in his dream did not speak in English, Latin or Greek, but in Hebrew; and neither was Mary nor Joseph slow to grasp the meaning and significance of the NAME of this divine Son and its relation to His character and His work of salvation. For in the Old Testament all great characters were given names with a specific and significant meaning.
  
  For example in Genesis 5:29 Lamechcalled his son "Comfort (Noah), saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands." In Genesis 10:25, Eber calls his first-born son "Division (Peleg); for in his days the earth was divided." The same is true of Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob (changed to Israel-God's Prince), and all of Jacob's sons (see Genesis chapters 29-32). In Exodus 2:10 Pharaoh's daughter called the baby rescued from the Nile "Drawn-Forth (Moses); and she said, Because I drew him out of the water." And so we can go on and on to show the deep significance of Hebrew names.
  
  Now then, when the angel spoke to Joseph, husband of Mary and the mother of our Lord, this is what he really said and what Joseph actually understood: "And she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call His name Yeshua (SALVATION) for he shall salvage (or save) His people from their sins." This text was so forcibly brought home to my soul soon after I was converted over 24 years ago, that I saw the whole plan of the Old Testament in that one ineffable and blessed NAME.
  
  So let us proceed to show clearly the Hebrew name YESHUA (Greek, Iesus: English, Jesus) in the Old Testament.
  
  When the great Patriarch Jacob was ready to depart from this world, he by the Holy Spirit was blessing his sons and prophetically foretelling their future experiences in those blessings. In verse 18 of Genesis 49 he exclaims, "I have waited for thy salvation, O Lord!" What he really did say and mean was, "To thy YESHUA (Jesus) I am looking, O Lord"; or, "In thy YESHUA (Jesus) I am hoping (trusting), Lord!" That makes much better sense.
  
  Of course, YESHUA (Jesus) was the One in Whom Jacob was trusting to carry him over safely the chilly waters of the river of death. Jacob was a saved man, and did not wait until his dying moments to start trusting in the Lord. He just reminded God that he was trusting in His YESHUA (Jesus-Salvation), and was at the same time comforting his own soul.
  
  In Psalm 9:14 David bursts forth: "I will rejoice in thy salvation!" What he actually did say and mean was, "I will rejoice in (with) thy YESHUA (Jesus)."
  
  In Psalm 91:14-16 God says, "because he delighted in me I will deliver him: I will set him on high (raise him above circumstances), because he hath known my name. He shall call me, and I will answer him; I am with him in affliction; I will succor him and honor him. With length of days (eternal life) will I satisfy him, and I will cause him to look upon my YESHUA (Jesus-Salvation)." Of course. That promise is realized in Revelation 22:3,4: "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and His servants shall serve Him; and they shall see HIS face."
  
  In Isaiah 12:2,3 we have something wonderful. Here SALVATION is mentioned three times. The reader will be much blessed by reading these glorious verses in his Bible but let me give them as they actually read in the original Hebrew with Jesus as the embodiment and personification of the word SALVATION: "Behold, mighty (or, God the mighty One) is my YESHUA (Jesus-in his pre-incarnation and eternal existence); I will trust and not be afraid; for JAH-JAHOVAH is my Strength and my Song; He also is become my YESHUA (Jesus "and the word became flesh, and dwelt among us"(John 1:14)-Jesus incarnate). Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of YESHUA (Jesus crucified-waters of salvation flowing forth from Calvary)."
  
  Something very interesting occurred one spring in St. Louis. I was visiting in the home of our friends, Mr. and Mrs. Charles Siegelman, and another Jewish man was present there. He claimed Jewish orthodoxy for his creed. Of course the conversation centered around Him Who is the Center of all things-Jesus. This good Jewish brother opposed the claims of Christ in the Old Testament verbally, and in a friendly thought, was to fling at me and at all of us there the well-known challenge: "You can't find the name 'Jesus' in the Old Testament;" and this he did.
  
  I did not answer him directly, but asked him to translate for us from my Hebrew Bible Isaiah 62:11. Being a Hebrew scholar, he did so with utmost ease, rapidity and correctness; and here is what and how he translated that text verbatim: "Behold, Jehovah has proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold thy YESHUA (Jesus) cometh; behold, His reward is with Him, and His work before Him" Just then he crimsoned as he realized what he had done and how he had played into my hands, and just fairly screamed out "No! No! You made me read it 'thy YESHUA' (Jesus), Mr. Glass! You tricked me!" I said, "No; I did not trick you; I just had you read the Word of God for yourself. Can't you see that here SALVATION is a Person and not a thing or an event? 'He comes; HIS reward is with HIM, and His work before Him.'" Then he rushed at his own Old Testament, talking away frantically, saying, "I'm sure mine is different from yours." And when he fount the passage, he just dropped like a deflated balloon: his Old Testament was of course identically the same. All he could use as an escape from admitting defeat was to deny the divine inspiration of the Book of Isaiah.
  
  Then skipping on to Habakkuk, we have the greatest demonstration of the NAME "Jesus" in the Old Testament; for here we have both the name as well as the title of the Savior. In 3:13 we read literally from the original Hebrew: "Thou wentest forth with the YESHA (variant of Yeshua-Jesus) of (or for) thy people; with YESHUA thy MESSIAH (thine Anointed One: i.e., with Jesus thy Christ); thou woundest the head of the house of the wicked one (Satan)." Here you have it! The very NAME given to our Lord in the New Testament-JESUS CHRIST! So don't let anyone-Jew or Gentile- tell you that the Name JESUS is not found in the Old Testament.
  
  And so when the aged Simeon came to the Temple, led there by the Holy Ghost, and took the baby Jesus in his arms, he said, "Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word; for mine eyes have seen thy YESHUA (Jesus)." Luke 2:29-30. Certainly! Not only did his eyes see God's SALVATION - God's YESHUA (Jesus) - but he felt Him and touched Him, as His believing heart throbbed with joy and assurance and as he felt the throb of the loving heart of God as it throbbed in the heart of the holy infant Jesus.

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  does anyone know roughly how much an average j witness will pay out monthly for awake and the watchtower.

  as they ask people for donations at the door.

  do they get their money back they have spend on the mags.

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  The rock

  Hello,

  Thanks everyone for the information most interesting. I am British to though not English lol.

  Thanks both off you for your impute.

  Lots of love

  Take care